Talk:Viability Ranking/@comment-36492818-20190927011603/@comment-43507804-20190927130102

Wow, okay then. That's somethin' ya don't hear every day.

I think you might be exaggerating her flaws a little bit here, man. Like, yeah, her speed's lower than 3500. ''By 2 points. ''Power? By 24 points, on a support monster.

About her role, you just said she has low-damaging moves, and she also has not a self damage buff anywhere, yet you think she'd be made to work as an attacker? NER everywhere, several kinds of buffs you can interchange based on the rest of your team, and about half of her attacks come with support for the whole team. It's convenient that she has some powerful single-target moves, but most of her damage should be coming from Sunburn and Bleeding, while your attacker handles the rest.

Then the biggest case about her, her trait. Relics are always a problem, I won't fight you there. However, even when PER is a big issue, the thing here is that you have to have the counter at all. If the trait makes a team-changing decision (especially with very few deniers having PER before their denying skills), it's an effective trait, no matter how simple the counter is, and we're talking about Team Evasion here. Most PER comes from the support monsters, who almost always go second or even last in the turn order thanks to packing Team Speeds, meaning that the deniers can't do anything if they're faster than the enemy team unless they have their own PER, which still leaves the team un-denied unless you have 2 deniers on the team, and that just brings us back to the case of having to build your team around countering her.

Long story short, Elvira is definitely outclassed by other Warmasters, indeed. Thing is, we're talking about Warmasters, and you're saying this one should be put in the same tier as Kihaku. Like, chill, man.