Talk:Viability Ranking/@comment-2602:306:C5D2:1950:2118:21F3:1DB6:3C50-20200118063007/@comment-43507804-20200121041620

Oh boy, this thread is only gonna get longer and longer as you keep trying to convince me Burotgor is good, ain't it?

"The problem is that aside from 2 tortures, the rest are all random which makes it possible for you to get tortures that were already applied to the enemy."

There are 11 total tortures in the game. Assuming Grumpex is the only one applying these tortures, that means that, if he uses Sophisticated Race after Double Laser Blast, he has a 2/11 chance of getting the same Poison or Sunburn for each one. That chance is cut in half if he decides to use Lizard of Science, Not War first instead. I can confirm from personal experience, as well, that it does not happen nearly as often as you assume.

"even with the tortures Burtogor still deals more damage and will kill the enemies faster."

Tortures deal damage in percentages. This means that, do these Tortures target the tank of the team, this sentence is dead wrong. Tortures are the highly preferred method of killing these days. Hell, you repeat it yourself all the damn time; pure damage is not liked in the current meta over Tortures.

"Also, Grumpex has only 1 AoE skill that can apply tortures, so he really isn't that great at applying tortures in general."

Man, he only does have a single AoE skill...and I'm sure Burotgor is so much better in that regard. He must just be a god of those AoEs, which he would have to be to make the comparison valid when comparing the two.

Also, I'm not trying to call him the next Gualgui, but being able to apply 2 Tortures at once in 2 separate moves is pretty sweet for spreading, as I can again say from personal experience.

"He would have to take out monsters 1 by 1 with Tortures and the damage he deals"

And Burotgor doesn't with his non-existent AoEs and luck-based gameplay?

"Yes Burotgor will blind himself, but as previously stated, he almost always at least gets 1 hit when blinded which is a guarenteed kill on one monster"

One, Taunt tanks. Two, you say this as if it's a guaranteed chance he will land that one attack to kill that one monster. Let's see, he has a 50% chance to hit, assuming you use Bloodthirsty first to actually gwt off this great damage you speak of. But, since he has that extra-turn attack, he gets this chance twice. This means he has a 75% chance of landing a single attack of those two, just to possibly have it absorbed by a Taunt tank that possibly doesn't die because Life runes. He also has a 25% chance to land both attacks, but you might as well go buy a lottery ticket if you can get that consistently. Grumpex, meanwhile, isn't based on raw luck and will consistently land his moves, which are not that much weaker thanks to his higher Power and apply Tortures that have the potential to deal substantial damage, even if they're absorbed by Taunt.

"Also, Grumpex's skill mirror skill really isn't that good. It deals low damage, and the skill mirror only lasts for 1 turn. For that one turn that it's active you can just ignore Grumpex completely seeing as he isn't that big of a threat and then his skill mirror will go away."

One, all Skill Mirrors in the game last one turn, so that was pointless to mention. Two, AoE skills. Three, Skill Mirror doesn't go away until his turn comes up (or he's PERed, but whatever), meaning that if the support of the team will have their support moves repeated if it goes to him, also. This has the potential to be huge, such as with turn transfers or team healing moves. Four, if he isn't a big threat, then why bother avoid him when the Mirror is up? Clearly, he's not a problem, so even if the skill gets reflected, it's obviously not going to do much. Five, if you decide you do need to avoid him, I already mentioned AoE moves above, and avoiding him means not using those. Meaning he goes through the turn untouched unless the enemy has PER. That clearly isn't any sort of benefit, though, so we'll just ignore that, I guess.

"Last thing I want to mention is that Burotgor is great at taking out monsters from the Thunder element. There are a good amount of Thunder element monsters in the meta such as Thundeer, Wildbird, Hornet, Neobuki, Volthar, the Faraday's, and Warmaster Babari."

Grumpex has the exact same argument, but for Mechanical monsters. I've already listed those, though, so I won't repeat myself.

I would go further, but it's getting to be time for bed at the time of writing this. I willingly lose sleep to defend the idea that Grumpex is worse than this luck-based furry bitch, but I'm not insane. Good night, good sir.