Talk:Top: Deniers/@comment-43463998-20200128112044/@comment-2601:603:5080:58F0:39DA:F9A0:5FD8:1BA1-20200129215127

I’m the person who said he should be 3, but I could see him being 2 over pumpseed because of area dodge. That’s just such a good trait that it might be a little better than pumpseed. They’re VERY close though. Even though pump and grakon are faster than thalassa and CDA I’d say thalassa should still probably be counted as the best denier. The first 3 best deniers, (Thalassa, grakon and pumpseed) are all really close to each other in terms of deniers. It only really matters when one is faster. Like with grakon and pumpseed, their speed is faster than thalassas. So if you have the same speed rune levels and same team speed, they’ll beat her.