Talk:Viability Ranking/@comment-38647872-20190730003309/@comment-29393109-20190730011650

"The fact that they need to add so many counters to extra turn spam is kinda proof."

If there are so many counters to Charmless then shouldn't he be moved down since he's countered by so many Monsters?

"He is incredible on an attack team."

Most Extra Turn Attackers are tbh.

"He slays everything if he gets an opportunity to move."

So do most Top Tier Monsters tbh.

"Saying he should be moved down is stupid."

I mean when we have so many Anticipation users like Marquis (Charmless's biggest counter), three Faradays, Necro, among others, as well as CDA (unlike other Extra Turn spammers such as Zyla and even Voltrash, Charmless doesn't have a 0 CD Extra Turn Skill). I feel like it's fair to move Charmless down to SS-. He's not the beast he used to be back when he was first released.

Zyla is SS- and imo she's superior to Charmless, though not by much, so I feel like they should be the same rank. I mean Zyla has a better Trait, a 0 CD Extra Turn Skill and Charging Banner tbf.