Talk:Viability Ranking/@comment-43463998-20200130073846/@comment-36515094-20200201015142

Both struggle too much with common meta teams, Grakon with Taunt + Area Dodge and Thundeer with Taunt + Anticipation + Area Dodge, to be in OP in my opinion. Now before people say Pumpseed has the same problem, his isn't nearly as bad, his skills are literally insane, and he can spread tortures and other negative effects.

Grakon can only spread Tortures, but his struggle with Taunt + Area Dodge is just really bad keeping him away imo. Thundeer is basically only a denier and can't do much else if he faces a counter. Overall, I think both Thundeer and Grakon are at the top of OP-