Talk:Viability Ranking/@comment-38078818-20200202013409/@comment-36515094-20200204000851

"Yoshi, he has to waste a whole turn countering those tortures/blinds."

Hookuai's set up skill to counter blinds and accuracy debuffs is no where near a waste of a whole turn, especially if Hookuai can get another turn in with Anticipation. It will basically allow him to get a free damage boost and that is huge for him since he will be able to knockout most monsters with it. If you consider Hook's set up skill as a waste of a turn, then so is Ronin's way to counter these as well.

"This leaves him vulnerable, since if he was able to get hit with those tortures/blinds in the first place it’s more likely he’d be able to be hit again."

Same thing can literally be said about Ronin. If he's getting hit with all these negative effects, he can literally just be hit by them again. And his 50% heal most likely won't be able to keep up with how much health he loses due to tortures.

"It also depends whether or not cda would work for Hookuai. You could run into Sherezar, Nisael, or even a Rag with that SC."

Sherezar is not that common any more tbh and his SC can be PER'd before Hookuai gets a turn since PER on your denier is basically a must have. Same thing goes for Nisael's and Rag's Cooldowns protection. Your denier can just PER them away before Hookuai uses his CDA skill. Ronin however struggles with things such as Control Immunity, any Possession Immunity, and Control Immunity which are decently common compared to CDA protection and they can't be PER'd further supporting the fact that Mega Possession is worse. Also, Ronin has basically no way to stop Santerion due to Artifact, but Hookuai has CDA to stop that.

"The single deny could actually come in handy. For example, Eisul/Rag/Wyrm bases. Thalassa comes in and is able to clear Eisuls mega taunt, but it gets NER’d twice by Ragnarok with Archangel’s blessing, then again with No More Failiures. Thalassa’s only choice is only Abyss Bottom. IT hits everyone BUT Wyrmlad. PZ comes in, and does his single mega corruption."

You could literally just sub in Hookuai for Ronin in that situation and not much would change.

Almost anything Ronin can do Hookuai can do and probably better.