Talk:Viability Ranking/@comment-38078818-20191223191144/@comment-36515094-20191224003059

"Santerion is more difficult to deny than Eisul due to his trait. It as also much easier to reactivate mega taunt as you just need to NER it."

Everyone has Trait Disable in their team because of how useful it is in the meta. Also, you could just NER the Trait Disable away from Eisul if he gets Trait Disabled making him protect Area Dodge Monsters.

"Also ingenica isn’t a significant counter to Santa. She has no use in top players - wickah completely outclasses her. Eisul also has countered like that e.g Barbari. You can’t use ingenica as a con for santerion"

I'm gonna be completely honest here, this logic is bad. More people use Ingenica in top play than Babari and this is before Santerion is even available. So, the fact that Top players use Ingenica already proves that you are wrong about her not being used. Wickah doesn't even completely outclass her either since they do different things aside from Trait Disable and PER. Babari is a counter, but why be able to count him as a counter for Eisul when you don't count Ingenica as a con for Santerion when Babari is used way less than Ingenica?

"The main reason you clear mega taunt is to aoe the enemy team, and trait disable is absolutely need for santerion(other than pierce)Trait disable is far rarer than per, and eisul can be "truly countered" way easier."

Yes Trait Disable is absolutely needed, but the thing is that even before Santerion was released, Trait Disable was still absolutely needed. This means that Trait Disable is already everywhere and is just as common to face as PER. Sure less monsters use it, but if its in basically every meta team just like PER, then it is nowhere near far rarer. PER by itself doesn't counter Eisul at all, so by no means is he "truly countered". Once PER'd he still has Taunt which allows him to protect Dodge Area monsters. You need both PER and Trait Disable just to counter Eisul and attack the Dodge Area Monsters, making him harder to "truly counter" than Santerion, who requires just trait disable.

"The one real advantage eisul has is a sufficient controlling capability, but he's probably not going to get it in before getting controlled himself(And he isn't a forsaken)"

Along with his better controlling abilities, Eisul also has the ability to synergize greatly with Dodge Area and requires both PER and Trait Disable to be able to hit his Dodge Area teammates. That is another advantage he has over Santerion. Yes, he will most likely get controlled, but that's the whole purpose of a tank. The same thing would happen to Santerion. Being a forsaken doesn't automatically make a monster better than another. Take this as an example: Hornet isn't a forsaken, but he is better than the forsaken monster Wickah. Both are Area Dodge supports, but the forsaken one is worse.