Talk:Viability Ranking/@comment-43463998-20200130073846/@comment-44236525-20200130221117

Bruh.

1. Grakon can’t fully deny a team in 1 turn like other deniers can. I’ve said this in discord before with the Thundeer vs Grakon argument before, but basically, they all perform the same way against the main meta team comp, so if a denier like thalassa can deny the team faster, then it’s much better for her, isn’t it?

2. About Pumpseed, he might be an exception, but imo still outperforms Grakon(and Thundeer) only by a hair, so they’re all almost equal. The thing about Pumpseed that makes him different from all other deniers is that while he can’t deny the main meta team comp in one go, he can pressure them into killing themselves. He can possess almost flawlessly, so technically, he does more on the first turn against this team. He can possess both the anticipator and the taunt, trait disable and deny the taunt without triggering anticipation, or my personal favorite, activating cooldowns.

They’re all kinda close, but I think Thalassa>Pumpseed>Thundeer>Grakon or Thundeer=Grakon.