Talk:Grakon/@comment-44433317-20191227064004/@comment-44236525-20200101225837

Nice points.

1. I didn’t mean it in the way you understood it and I apologize if I didn’t explain it fully. What I meant by what I said was that torture immunity(I know I didn’t say this sorry)was becoming way more common and since that’s grakon’s main form of dealing dmg, then it crippled him more, whereas Crabbydroid can dish out pretty nice dmg if comboed well with the right monsters, runes, and situation.

2. Crabby has plentiful removal to sustain himself. He is not entirely weak to taunt+da(almost everyone is weak to that anyways)as he has a trait disable skill and multiple ET skills. It has a 3 turn cd and if you use the extra turn skills can reduce it by 2 turns(although in an actually reccomended skillset only 1 might be used)to then TD the DA monster after the taunt was removed and deny it for 2 turns to keep it shut. And remember, crabby won’t be alone. He might be partnered up with an ingenica, wickah, or draghar(don’t even @ me they are used with many deniers)who trait disable to allow crabbydroid to deny better. This is also a point you can use to compliment a lot of other deniers but since crabbydroid is more high class(yes), can actually TD himself with follow up deny, has 2 PER skills, Nanovirus, and pretty much always has a 35% chance to miss whatever is thrown at him, can be used more freely as an argument. His stats, relics, and other attributed AoE him to deny just like the OP- deniers and even the 2 OP deniers, no doubt.

3. Don’t @ me with the OP deniers not suffering. Thalassa is totally immune to this point btw. Pumpseed and Sherezar are a whole other story. Pumpseed, just like crabbydroid, has one TD skill that follows up with a 1 turn deny. Sherezar has no TD and is crippled by this combo way more than Crabby is. Pumpseed vs crabby. I see almost no reason why the same arguments you made can’t be slapped onto Pumpseed or sherry as they can also get crippled by this meta team comp, and yet you say crabby should be SS+ while these guys are higher up when crabby has pretty much the same denial(different form, but like, same thing), some PER, and Dmg, which Pumpseed ironically doesn’t have(you said doesn’t matter tho so...). Why don’t you tell me that Pumpseed gets crippled by this thing too? Why would he have to be 2 tiers higher than crabby? I don’t understand. Crabby rightfully deserves his place in OP-.

TL;DR: Crabbydroid stays put.